tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4777210255040195387.post4785120854305239898..comments2024-03-17T09:15:25.957+00:00Comments on LOL GREECE: (UPDATE) GREECE'S NEW FAR RIGHT - DRIVEN TO EXTREMES OR A FEW HANDOUTS SHORT OF A FASCIST?Manoshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01568922717477813566noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4777210255040195387.post-86427500048723136162013-06-17T16:58:30.372+01:002013-06-17T16:58:30.372+01:00Ralph,
Golden Dawn ticks all of the boxes for th...Ralph, <br /><br />Golden Dawn ticks all of the boxes for the definition of fascism that you cite above. And I kind of think the fascist salutes in the picture do rather tie them to the ideology that made them into a trademark. Unless perhaps you think they believe they are Romans or are saluting sarcastically. <br /><br />Regarding your denunciation of Labour and the Tories, I think you're trying to pick a fight with someone else who's simply not here. I think you should give them a ring.<br /><br />Finally, although I completely agree that opposing immigration does not make one a fascist, or even racist, I'd like to hear how you define a 'perfectly reasonable' restriction on personal freedom. <br /><br />To me it's impossible to uphold liberty and yet defend the right of a sovereign to ban people from settling and making an honest living where they will. Of course that's not the only kind of immigration there is, but it's the one most explicitly banned.<br /><br />I think you'll find that once you've restricted a person's right to settle wherever they will on the basis of their country of birth, there are few types of personal freedoms you cannot take away using similar arguments. The fact that majorities in every country support such restrictions does not make them acceptable not to me anyway.Manoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01568922717477813566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4777210255040195387.post-41364814798589150682013-06-17T11:58:10.313+01:002013-06-17T11:58:10.313+01:00Fascism is defined in sundry dictionaries (Oxford,...Fascism is defined in sundry dictionaries (Oxford, Chambers, etc) as a combination of different characteristics: restrictions on personal freedom, militarism, anti-communism, etc. As far as free speech goes the political left is much keener on restrictions on free speech than the political right.<br /><br />As to militarism, the Labour and Tory Parties did a military invasion of Iraq, whereas every other party (Lib Dems, BNP, Greens, etc) opposed in the invasion. So its clear who the “fascist parties” are in the UK.<br /><br />As to immigration, lefites like to describe anyone opposed to immigration as “fascist”. Unfortunately if one goes on the above definition, there is no very close connection between immigration and fascism. Of course, restricting immigration is a form of “restriction on personal freedom”, but it’s a perfectly reasonable one.<br /><br />As to pictures of people doing fascist salutes, that’s not a wise move on their part, but that does not prove they are fascist (one the above definition) any more than wearing a red rose (Labour Party symbol) proves one is a Labour supporter.<br />Ralph Musgravehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09443857766263185665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4777210255040195387.post-38803344527881566132013-05-28T13:30:49.995+01:002013-05-28T13:30:49.995+01:00I think you should read some of the documentation ...I think you should read some of the documentation I've provided so far before citing 'hot air' Ralph. <br /><br />Oh and as for Golden Dawn? Well, call me a leftie but I think this picture, featuring their leader an a number of followers, clearly portrays a fascist salute: <br /><br />http://greece.greekreporter.com/files/golden-dawn_salute1.jpg<br /><br />I look forward to your response. Manoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01568922717477813566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4777210255040195387.post-80298413640669191812013-05-28T12:34:30.979+01:002013-05-28T12:34:30.979+01:00Classic bit of lefie hot air. As George Orwell sai...Classic bit of lefie hot air. As George Orwell said, “The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies "something not desirable".<br /><br />And as Timothy Garton Ash put it (writing in The Guardian) “the label “fascism” has been hollowed-out to mean little more than “something the left hates at the moment”. <br />Ralph Musgravehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09443857766263185665noreply@blogger.com